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Even if not "love", and all the connotations that come with it, kindness and respect are important.
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you need to love your tulpa
6:11 PM
i'd say thyat's inarguable
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Okay. Let's discuss that. Why?
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love is the foundation your tulpa is built on
6:13 PM
without it, you're making a being that has nver known it, has no respect for it, and very well may be willing to do you harm (edited)
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That is objectively false - people create tulpas out of a desire for a loved companion, but also out of other desires. Friendship, without love. An escape. A second perspective. Simple curiosity.
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you don't love your friends?
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A tulpa does not necessarily know many things by personal experience, but does have access to your knowledge and memories, and can understand what "love" is from that.
6:15 PM
No, I do not hold affection for any random friend of mine to the degree that I would trust them with essentially anything I am.
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and making a tulpa out of a desire to escape or curiosity i'd say are a mistake and bound to end badly
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They don't necessarily. Intent can be important, but the important part as far as I have seen is the actual treatment of them.
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but if you don't love them, why would they hold any affection to you?
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Do you hold affection for anybody to a degree that you care about their well-being, treat them with kindness and respect, but don't... Say, want to sleep with them or physically touch them?
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love doesn't require sex
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Different people experience affection in different ways - and affection does not mean "love". Otherwise the term "like" would not exist.
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Hence why I would say that no, one does not need to "love" their tulpa - they need to treat them with care, kindness, and respect as a minimum.
6:19 PM
Love could develop as a result, be it romantic or otherwise, but is not a necessity.
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love is much deeper than "like" and i believe that to have someone in your mind for the rest of your life, love is required (edited)
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Hah. It certainly isn't a bad thing, on its own. But that isn't the question.
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typos everwhar T.T
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It isn't necessary to make a tulpa.
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i'll give you that. but to maintain? without them getting resentfull and driving you mad?
6:22 PM
because they very much can
6:22 PM
(not even much effort)
6:22 PM
love
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Certainly possible.
6:24 PM
I would barely say that I "love" Skye. We treat each other more in terms of being considerate roommates and partners in experiencing life. It certainly could be considered a platonic love, but it did not start as such.
6:24 PM
My primary concern is 'loving' somebody that you do not know to any extent aside from your intent for them.
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would you at least agree that you can't go wrong with loving your tulpa from the start?
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No. Love alone isn't problematic, but it needs to be tempered with reason - and love does tend to blind people to reason in many cases.
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okay, how could you go wrong with making a tulpa from the basis of love? (edited)
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Friendly affection comes out of treating others with respect and consideration for their well-being. It can certainly develop into a kind of love - but why would starting with love be needed in the first place?
6:26 PM
Ah, simple - what are people 'loving' in the first place?
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other than going way too far and making a sex toy
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That is my main concern, yes.
6:27 PM
But otherwise, I think it misleads people as to where they are placing their affection.
6:27 PM
At the beginning, there is no tulpa to 'love'.
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yes and no
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So, is the person in love with the concept of what a tulpa is? Are they in love with their intended result of 'making a tulpa' - in other words, a character they think up?
6:28 PM
At the very least, it should be clear why the latter could be problematic.
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no, just give the being you're creating love
6:28 PM
let them be them, just give them love
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[Hey, since waifuism is a thing 😁]
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Give them respect, consideration, and kindness. If love develops out of that, it will. If it doesn't, you can certainly live with companionable friendship as well.
6:31 PM
Actual actions and treatment are always more important than intent.
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as long you're not making a sex toy, i'd say it's healthier to start with love and progress from there
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Have you heard the phrase "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."?
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i have
6:32 PM
not sure where you're going with it
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The intent to love the tulpa when it literally does not exist is rather dishonest, I find.
6:33 PM
Not the intent itself, but the outcome.
6:34 PM
how i made Em
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"I love my tulpa" tends to translate to "I love the concept that I wish the tulpa was".
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Damn I leave to make a sandwich and I've got some new reading material
6:34 PM
Nice
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I think that acknowledging that difference is important.
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yes and no. if you let your tulpa be whoever they want, loving them isn't an issue
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Self-honesty and understanding of one's own intent and desires can prevent those missteps.
6:35 PM
Yes. But that love isn't for the actual tulpa at first, is my point... Since that tulpa does not exist yet.
6:35 PM
It is love of a wish.
6:35 PM
Not of reality.
6:36 PM
Again, intending to love "whatever your tulpa becomes" is fine.
6:37 PM
But, that isn't anywhere near the same as saying you love "your tulpa" the instant you start trying to force, or saying that people should love the nonexistent concept of what they imagine a tulpa to be like.
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you still have to believe your tulpa is real from the moment you decide to make one
6:37 PM
what's wrong with loving that?
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Nothing, the problem I find is when people pretend that is the same as "loving the tulpa".
6:38 PM
"I love my tulpa" and "I love what I imagine having a tulpa to be like" are two separate statements that mean very different things.
6:38 PM
Being honest about that is important.
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we may just disagree
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Perhaps.
6:39 PM
But, again, all I want is for people to be clear about what they are actually saying.
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[Mah Idk, you can love your mother or sibling or your country. Like you attach love to concepts. And if it turns our your country is spying on you and you don't like it you can still love it. Like you never have complete information. You love the concept of your tulpa and as the tulpa changes your love shifts with it. It does seem to kinda work out?]
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i think love is an essential springboard that a healthy relationship can stem from
6:40 PM
i'd agree with that
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It avoids misinterpretation on the part of others, helps prevent misleading new people, and allows you to acknowledge differing intent which can help prevent your own missteps.
6:41 PM
...which is the point.
6:41 PM
It certainly can work out.
6:41 PM
Improper methodology can result in success.
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any examples that don't involve sex toys where it didn't?
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The "sex toy" example is a fairly clear example of intended 'love' gone wrong.
6:42 PM
I'm not sure why you would ignore it, hah.
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because i'm already aware of it. and that's not love, it's abuse
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Hence the problem. Intended love along with a lack of considered thought can lead to abuses.
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that's people gone mad and decided to rape themselves
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The very steps can be a recipe to success. The symbolism of loving the entire road helping it to happen. It's not even misleading yourself or others it creates the very reality you will end up experiencing. If you go all the way "I don't actually love my tulpa yet, I am not allowed ect." I think it's bound to create more problems instead
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Otherwise, loving the idea of a 'character' can also lead to individuals not giving any thought to deviation or not genuinely considering it - beyond that, it can also certainly lead to simply creating a character rather than a person.
6:45 PM
...goodness. I don't think trying to love your tulpa from the beginning is 'bad' exclusively.
6:45 PM
I even explicitly stated that the issue is claiming that while acting in an undisciplined manner.
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i'm sorry?
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About?
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when exactly was i being undisciplined?
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Ah. I think you might misunderstand, hah.
6:47 PM
I didn't state anything about you specifically.
6:49 PM
I was making a point about the concept of "love your tulpa unconditionally", in which many people do so without any kind of discipline or personal honesty about what they actually care about - which can lead them into some common problems.
6:49 PM
And, of course, that 'love' is not a necessary component of making a tulpa.
6:49 PM
Which was the initial point, hah.
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